If you’ve ever stared at your landing page and thought, “Should I just deactivate this whole thing?”; you are not alone. And if you’re trying to build a high-converting landing page for opt-ins, that frustration can feel even heavier when you’ve poured time and energy into making everything look just right.
As creative business owners (and especially my fellow family photographers), we can spend hours making a page look “pretty”… only to feel crushed when the opt-ins don’t roll in the way we hoped.
In this episode of The Systems and Workflow Magic Podcast (repurposed from my podcast—so you can listen or read!), I invited my friend Ashlyn Carter, a conversion copywriter for creatives, to walk us through what actually makes a landing page convert.
And friend…she keeps it refreshingly practical.
In this episode, we’re talking about:
conversion benchmarks (so you can stop guessing and spiraling),
message matching (so your page doesn’t accidentally confuse people),
copy + design tweaks that are simple but powerful,
and how to test changes without spinning out into perfectionism.
So, let’s break it down. 💻✨
Ashlyn’s first reminder is something I wish every creative entrepreneur would tattoo on their brain (in the most loving way 😂):
A landing page should have one clear goal.
Examples:
Get an email subscriber (lead magnet / opt-in)
Get a challenge sign-up
Get an application submitted
Get a discovery call booked
When we try to achieve multiple goals on one page, we usually end up with none.
If your landing page is for an opt-in or challenge, Ashlyn recommends removing distractions like:
a top navigation menu
extra links to other pages
buttons that send people wandering around your website
The point is: one page, one action.
Before you assume your offer is the problem, Ashlyn teaches you to check the numbers first.
Here’s the conversion rate formula she shared:
Unique page views ÷ number of conversions × 100 = conversion rate
So if 500 unique people visit your landing page and 200 people opt in:
200 ÷ 500 = 0.4
0.4 × 100 = 40% conversion rate
These are the general targets she shared:
Lead magnet / opt-in landing pages: often 40–60%
Challenge pages (time commitment): around 40% is a strong goal
High-ticket service pages (ex, 4-figure photography): often 2–5% is normal
That right there is freeing, because sometimes you don’t have a copy problem…
You have a traffic problem.
Have you ever clicked a link expecting one thing… only to land somewhere completely different?
Ashlyn calls this a major conversion killer.
Message matching means the language people see in your:
Instagram story
email link
Pinterest pin
ad copy
…should match what they see on the landing page.
Same hook. Same promise. Same “this is for you if…”
Because when someone lands on your page and feels confused, they bounce.
Ashlyn is a copywriter, so yes—we went there.
Instead of a headline that merely labels the freebie, Ashlyn recommends one that makes a clear promise.
Think:
“Outline your web copy with ease…”
“Plan your next mini-session workflow in 15 minutes…”
“Write your client emails faster without starting from scratch…”
Your headline should answer:
What’s the win?
Online readers skim. That’s not a you-problem—it’s just how humans read on the internet.
Bullet points help your reader instantly understand:
what they’re getting
what they’ll learn
What changes for them after using it
Pro tip Ashlyn shared:
Place your strongest benefits:
in the first 1–2 bullet points
and your next strongest as the last bullet
Because those spots get read the most.
This is one of my favorite reminders from Ashlyn:
Not everyone buys (or opts in) the way you do.
Some people want:
proof and specifics
a vision and transformation
logic and “how it works”
emotional connection and story
When your landing page includes a mix, you create a page that resonates with more people without feeling messy.
Ashlyn shared a moment where an art director called her out (ouch but helpful 😂):
If your copy is saying one thing…but your image is saying something else?
That’s a disconnect.
For opt-ins, one of the simplest ways is to show a mockup of the freebie.
Examples:
a Canva mockup of your checklist
a screenshot of a workbook page
a phone mockup if it’s a mobile guide
It helps your audience visualize how to use it.
Ashlyn also called out a common creative issue:
Your button can’t be beige, blush, and invisible.
Make it pop. Make it obvious. Make it look clickable.
When you’re promoting a challenge or free workshop, you’re not just asking for an email address.
You’re asking for time.
Ashlyn’s rule of thumb:
The more time you’re asking for, the more copy you need.
A challenge page should also explain:
What happens each day
What outcomes they’ll get
Why it’s worth showing up
What they’ll walk away with
Because you’re selling participation, not just sign-up.
Ashlyn is currently split testing her own challenge landing page, and she shared an important tip:
Only change one variable at a time.
Examples of one-variable tests:
longer page vs shorter page
CTA button color
headline option A vs headline option B
moving a section higher on the page
If you change everything at once, you won’t know what caused the result.
This part is so “systems + workflow magic” because it’s not glamorous, but it matters.
Ashlyn reminded us:
Slow page load speed can kill conversions
Heavy background videos can drag a page down
Your landing page needs to load fast on mobile
So yes, make it beautiful…
But make it functional first.
If you’re in a season where you’re doubting your landing page, your offer, or your marketing…
Friend, don’t let perfectionism drive the car (seriously, it’s not worth it!)
Start with the numbers. Make one small change. Test it. Then keep going.
That’s how you build a landing page that doesn’t just look good…
…but actually converts.
Stay streamlined and magical, you amazing muggle, you! I’ll talk to you all next week with a brand new episode!
Don’t forget to follow my podcast here:
https://systemsandworkflowmagic.com/podcast

Hi! I’m Dolly DeLong—a Nashville-based family photographer turned systems + marketing educator and Fractional CMO for family photographers and solo business owners. After years of juggling motherhood, running a thriving family photography business, and helping other creatives behind the scenes with their launches and marketing, I realized something: the backend matters just as much as your booking calendar.
Now, I serve two kinds of faith-driven creatives:
Family photographers who want to stop ghosting their audience and finally stay consistent with Instagram + email marketing.
Solo business owners (sometimes family photographers) who have a digital offer they want to launch, but feel completely overwhelmed by the pre-launch phase and the marketing phases.
Through my weekly podcast, YouTube channel, and blog, I offer strategic (but doable) content on systems, workflows, launch planning, and consistent marketing rhythms that won’t burn you out.
I’m here to help you stop duct-taping your backend together and instead build systems that support your life and values—whether you’re marketing mini sessions or launching a digital course.
When I’m not strategizing a launch calendar or batch recording content during nap time, you can find me photographing families in and around Nashville, watching reruns of Survivor, eating something sweet, or walking with a podcast in my ears. (Yes, I’m that girl.)
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